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Sweet! Another 11-14 like this and we'll be where we should be *
HungaryGator 9/3/2018 - 5:03 p.m.
2017-18 Football Roster and Scholarship Breakdown
GatorTom 8/9/2017 - 11:33 a.m.
2018 Football Commitments
GatorTom 8/7/2017 - 12:59 p.m.
2017 Recruiting Class
GatorTom 8/2/2017 - 2:05 p.m.
Updated recruiting board....cuz things change quickly
HungaryGator 7/23/2017 - 1:17 p.m.
Old school recruiting, prior to the services in the 1990s...
gatsby 2/16/2017 - 9:53 a.m.
2016 Recruiting Class
GatorTom 1/8/2016 - 12:22 p.m.
2015 Recruiting Class
GatorTom 2/9/2015 - 10:50 a.m.
2014 Recruiting Class
GatorTom 2/7/2014 - 11:54 a.m.
Elijah Blades commits to aTm
HungaryGator 12/16/2018 - 10:47 a.m.
Mom wearing crimson...Bamaís bag men strike again? *
SpacinGator 12/15/2018 - 3:53 p.m.
Thibs to the Ducks *
InstiGATOR South 12/15/2018 - 3:56 p.m.
As I expected based on reading the tea leaves. *
crl 12/15/2018 - 4:05 p.m.
Oh, good...quack quack *
SpacinGator 12/15/2018 - 3:55 p.m.
Ducks at least for now have a top 5 recruiting class *
gatsby 12/15/2018 - 4:24 p.m.
Iím cool with it. At least not Semis or Bama *
SpacinGator 12/15/2018 - 4:32 p.m.
might well have been better for us had he picked Bama
HungaryGator 12/15/2018 - 4:40 p.m.
I know, but we canít root for Bama. *
SpacinGator 12/15/2018 - 4:44 p.m.
You're talking to the wrong guy. He loves them gumps. :-)
crl 12/15/2018 - 4:47 p.m.
unlike you, I want what's best for UF even if that means Bama benefits also *
HungaryGator 12/15/2018 - 5:31 p.m.
I think you like the gumps just about as much as UF. And of course the Confederacy. *
crl 12/15/2018 - 6:13 p.m.
No you don't, really. He's not conflicted at all. I'm fairly sure Hung is just about as tired of
Ali G.ator 12/15/2018 - 6:43 p.m.
My bro is in the few. He's been living in Bham for the last 10 years. Poor guy. I only spent 3 years
crl 12/15/2018 - 6:48 p.m.
I think you hate Bama more than you love UF. & you seem to love the tyrant Lincoln *
HungaryGator 12/15/2018 - 6:42 p.m.
I'm ambivalent on Lincoln but I do dislike the confederacy. *
crl 12/15/2018 - 6:49 p.m.
Since 2002, 14 schools have signed 150 of the 170 top 10 recruiting classes...
gatsby 12/14/2018 - 8:41 p.m.
Those 15 are the real D1. The rest of the power 5 is D1.5. ucf and AAC pals basically D2. *
DCPowerGator 12/15/2018 - 5:27 p.m.
And Iíll bet each of those 15 had at least 2 top 5 classes on championship team roster. *
fkadukez 12/14/2018 - 11:02 p.m.
Two 2020 players committed to other schools decommitted after visiting UF during the week
gatorfan77 12/14/2018 - 7:36 a.m.
Seems like Mullen & company has really good recruiting traction in south Florida and Polk County....
JimG8R 12/14/2018 - 12:31 p.m.
You and 77 still rockin the Muschamp icon. Ya'll still fans of his? :-) *
crl 12/14/2018 - 12:42 p.m.
he okay, did his best, mainly I still like the expression BOOM MF'er THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING BOUT! *
JimG8R 12/14/2018 - 2:22 p.m.
I like the student-athletes from Miami we use to have a pipline to Carol City in the 80s *
SaltWater Gator 12/14/2018 - 10:09 a.m.
Not so much about these players but south Florida has a reputation for producing very good....
gatsby 12/14/2018 - 8:49 a.m.
49 kids from Dade county on NFL rosters this September vs 130+ from all of Georgia *
k42 12/14/2018 - 9:49 a.m.
Yes, we know the history but talking about right now...
gatsby 12/14/2018 - 10:44 a.m.
Have the top FL players ever gone to non-FL schools at the pace theyíre currently doing so?
BurrGator 12/14/2018 - 11:37 a.m.
back before the 80s maybe?
HungaryGator 12/14/2018 - 11:49 a.m.
Right. We donít need to lock down the state as far as all recruits are concerned, but we
BurrGator 12/14/2018 - 12:11 p.m.
if you look at the kids in the NFL from Dade, a lot were not 4 or 5 star guys
k42 12/14/2018 - 11:22 a.m.
RE: Not so much about these players but south Florida has a reputation for producing very good....
CoachTony 12/14/2018 - 8:56 a.m.
Well that was the knock on Texas recruits for years- what you saw from them
gatsby 12/14/2018 - 9:15 a.m.
The Alabama of Texas high schools...
gatsby 12/14/2018 - 2:18 p.m.
scUM DC finalizing deal with Temple...
the phenomenon 12/12/2018 - 4:02 p.m.
Cant' wait to see Diaz unveil the Temple Turnover Dradle *
InstiGator South 12/13/2018 - 12:31 p.m.
Stevenson, Bogle, MAR. Get Ďem all. *
HungaryGator 12/13/2018 - 9:21 a.m.
Remind me who MAR is? *
SpacinGator 12/13/2018 - 12:33 p.m.
Mark Antony Richards. A top 100 player from South Florida thought to be leaning toward scUM
HungaryGator 12/13/2018 - 12:38 p.m.
RE: I think we have to worry more about Auburn for MAR than Miami *
Destin Gator 12/14/2018 - 11:37 a.m.
Auburn's in disarray too right now. Gus is for all intents and purposes, a dead man walking *
HungaryGator 12/14/2018 - 11:50 a.m.
They help secure the bag better there though *
k42 12/14/2018 - 12:33 p.m.
indeed. See Schwarz, Anthony as an example *
InstiGator South 12/14/2018 - 2:31 p.m.
Keep in mind that he is the brother of scUMbag Ahmmon Richards *
InstiGator South 12/13/2018 - 1:35 p.m.
Thank you *
SpacinGator 12/13/2018 - 12:44 p.m.
Bogle & MAR, baby! *
InstiGator South 12/13/2018 - 10:35 a.m.
Diaz gone.... scUM loses 2 D commits already...LOL *
the phenomenon 12/13/2018 - 8:53 a.m.
RE: OLB commit Anthony Solomon could be next, he visits Michigan this weekend *
Destin Gator 12/13/2018 - 10:39 a.m.
4 decommits in last 24 hours from '19 and '20 classes... more to come *
the phenomenon 12/13/2018 - 11:09 a.m.
now 7 decommits in the last 2 days...scUM getting bent over *
the phenomenon 12/13/2018 - 10:32 p.m.
Any we would be trying to flip? *
g8rdome 12/13/2018 - 4:51 p.m.
The benefit is in non-committed kids we are battling them for
CrocodileJimV 12/13/2018 - 7:45 p.m.
DeMatha Catholic is like the St Thomas Aquinas of the DC area....
JimG8R 12/12/2018 - 11:59 a.m.
Unless the Big 10 updates the division format the path forward is just
gatsby 12/12/2018 - 1:04 p.m.
who cares about winning football games?... this is about winning recruiting! :-) *
JimG8R 12/12/2018 - 1:07 p.m.
We can revisit this in a few years but for now I think "it is still Maryland". *
CoachTony 12/12/2018 - 12:04 p.m.
we lost S. Diggs to them *
water lizard 12/12/2018 - 12:46 p.m.
Who else? *
CoachTony 12/12/2018 - 12:50 p.m.
some OL as I recall??? *
water lizard 12/12/2018 - 2:41 p.m.
Damian Prince - but generally you're correct that top shelf Maryland kids...
JimG8R 12/12/2018 - 1:05 p.m.
RE: Damian Prince - but generally you're correct that top shelf Maryland kids...
CoachTony 12/12/2018 - 2:08 p.m.
either way, not sure they'll be able to coach em up....
JimG8R 12/12/2018 - 12:18 p.m.
Yep. They haven't been any good for a long, long time. *
UFNY 12/12/2018 - 12:14 p.m.
I will say that WVU and VPI might want to look out. He is coming for their usual guys. *
CoachTony 12/12/2018 - 12:15 p.m.
those guys generally get the leftovers, although Terps did just flip a 4 star WR from WVU already...
JimG8R 12/12/2018 - 12:34 p.m.
Lots of Hampton Roads kids to be had as well. *
CoachTony 12/12/2018 - 12:37 p.m.
Oh yeah, they ball there! *
JimG8R 12/12/2018 - 12:44 p.m.
So given the current recruiting climate how well do we expect UF to recruit?...
gatsby 12/12/2018 - 11:16 a.m.
Brand, proximity to top 5 talent, and the right coach should have you in top 10 every year. Even
fkadukez 12/13/2018 - 9:23 a.m.
Excellent analysis. *
3rdWardGator 12/13/2018 - 3:03 a.m.
10-12 this year. Top 10 going forward. Money is definitely important but not
BurrGator 12/12/2018 - 1:56 p.m.
This year? Better than last year and then top 10 moving forward
ncg8or 12/12/2018 - 11:38 a.m.
expect ? Top 10 at the very least *
HungaryGator 12/12/2018 - 11:27 a.m.
What is the ceiling in the current climate? After facilities upgrade? ...
gatsby 12/12/2018 - 11:51 a.m.
we should have the standalone football facility in 2 years
HungaryGator 12/12/2018 - 1:55 p.m.
Count me in the coaches hamstrung group. Basically recruiting with one hand tied behind their back
crl 12/12/2018 - 11:27 a.m.
we need to recruit better Bagmen *
studegator 12/12/2018 - 12:44 p.m.
We need a better UAA...
3rdWardGator 12/13/2018 - 3:06 a.m.
Yep. Getting rid of self imposed self defeating rules would be a first step
HungaryGator 12/13/2018 - 9:19 a.m.
Every time I am reminded of all that...
3rdWardGator 12/13/2018 - 9:47 a.m.
Sucks because Foley is 10000% Gator. And unlike the hbc who was also 100000% Gator, he never
fkadukez 12/13/2018 - 3:32 p.m.
RE: Every time I am reminded of all that...
CoachTony 12/13/2018 - 9:55 a.m.
RE: Every time I am reminded of all that...
HungaryGator 12/13/2018 - 12:39 p.m.
PS. Admissions needs to be leaned on by President Fuchs
HungaryGator 12/13/2018 - 9:42 a.m.
I find it comical that admissions office for an AAU institution has anything to do with reviewing
fkadukez 12/13/2018 - 9:35 p.m.
RE: We need a better UAA...
CoachTony 12/13/2018 - 7:53 a.m.
That is Foley's approach
3rdWardGator 12/13/2018 - 1:55 p.m.
RE: That is Foley's approach
CoachTony 12/13/2018 - 2:03 p.m.
RE: That is Foley's approach
HungaryGator 12/13/2018 - 4:23 p.m.
RE: That is Foley's approach
CoachTony 12/13/2018 - 5:38 p.m.
What do we expect to spend? Is the only path to contending for
gatsby 12/13/2018 - 6:36 p.m.
If we want to go that route, we need to do a lot more than that to catch up to the gumps. *
crl 12/12/2018 - 1:42 p.m.
May be Germans, but this DT visiting this weekend. Probably a longshot but ya never know.
crl 12/12/2018 - 9:25 a.m.
That's one large human *
ncg8or 12/12/2018 - 11:32 a.m.
And yet Slaton is about that size now and was larger last year. Crazy. *
crl 12/12/2018 - 1:43 p.m.
RE: I hear he's bringing the whole family, good sign but we have lots of work to do
Destin Gator 12/12/2018 - 11:14 a.m.
I guess our main hope is that our depth chart looks better than theirs. Weird that he's not staying
crl 12/12/2018 - 11:28 a.m.
247 top 15 talent rosters, how many 5* recruits for next year if current commits
gatsby 12/11/2018 - 1:42 p.m.
scUM DC Manny Diaz close to inking a deal to be the new head coach at Temple
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 9:46 p.m.
Sweet. Let's go get their D recruits we want. *
PC Gator 12/10/2018 - 10:12 p.m.
Diaz is a good coach, would definitely impact the Canes *
gatsby 12/10/2018 - 10:03 p.m.
You have to love Trey Sanders tweets...:)
UGADawginVA 12/10/2018 - 4:27 p.m.
Not as much as I loved the fake punt on 4th and 11, LOL...what an idiot *
ncg8or 12/10/2018 - 10:01 p.m.
Or blowing a year of Fieldsís eligibility when they have a solid starting qb. *
BurrGator 12/11/2018 - 8:57 a.m.
that's called throwing him a bone to keep him from transferring *
water lizard 12/11/2018 - 11:05 a.m.
So stupid...tried to make Fields the hero on that play, one for which he will always be remembered *
ncg8or 12/11/2018 - 11:02 a.m.
Idiocy on a historic level. *
SpacinGator 12/11/2018 - 8:31 a.m.
Yep, love that he's trolling the dwags.....
the phenomenon 12/10/2018 - 9:04 p.m.
5% huh? So youíre saying thereís a chance.... *
fkadukez 12/11/2018 - 10:06 a.m.
Losing Sanders to UGA would be a blow *
3rdWardGator 12/10/2018 - 7:02 p.m.
That would make a 5* RB three years in a row + 2 other 4* RB for good measure. *
gatsby 12/10/2018 - 7:31 p.m.
Deyavie Hammond visiting this weekend, Wardrick Wilson to enroll early (guess grades worked out)
ncg8or 12/10/2018 - 2:55 p.m.
Hammond is ours. We have to hope Wilson's grades work out. I want him in the class
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 3:05 p.m.
Good to hear, those 2 + the kids committed (and +1 Lucas) would be a great haul
ncg8or 12/10/2018 - 3:54 p.m.
Mutts pull 5 star OL out of Alabama *
water lizard 12/10/2018 - 11:19 a.m.
RE: don't get too excited, he is a UGA legacy *
Destin Gator 12/11/2018 - 8:33 a.m.
that makes sense *
water lizard 12/11/2018 - 11:16 a.m.
but but but...how is this possible? Didn't the bammer bag men pay him off?
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 11:41 a.m.
The apple doesnít fall far from the tree, Saban- Smart....
gatsby 12/10/2018 - 12:41 p.m.
So Kirbyís cheating too? How about Dabo? How about Urban?
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 12:59 p.m.
So Kirbyís cheating too? How about Dabo? How about Urban?
gatsby 12/10/2018 - 1:22 p.m.
You canít separate it from head coaches
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 1:51 p.m.
They are good coaches all of them. The difference with Bama is that
gatsby 12/10/2018 - 2:09 p.m.
When Saban came in the administration had to agree to give him what he wanted
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 2:48 p.m.
By the way Shapiro went undetected for 8 years in Miami *
gatsby 12/10/2018 - 1:27 p.m.
Schools with 300+ recruiting scores from 2007-11, 4 total...
gatsby 12/10/2018 - 1:40 p.m.
I used to go nuts about this in the late 80s and early 90s when it was fsu
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 1:57 p.m.
FSU went on probation twice, for inadmissible benefits and for
gatsby 12/10/2018 - 2:12 p.m.
were they shovelling cash into recruits hands? No.
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 2:51 p.m.
RE: were they shovelling cash into recruits hands? No.
gatsby 12/10/2018 - 3:11 p.m.
I'm not arguing they or anybody else is lilly white
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 3:33 p.m.
Cash handouts? Bag men? Albert Means? *
Liti-Gator 12/10/2018 - 11:18 p.m.
and they were turned in for that. DeBose didn't last all that long
HungaryGator 12/11/2018 - 12:22 a.m.
One counter point. There have been NCAA issues there since Stallings. I find it hard to believe
fkadukez 12/11/2018 - 9:59 a.m.
I agree with your overall point. Was just pointing out bag men/$ history. *
Liti-Gator 12/11/2018 - 7:31 a.m.
It's supposedly prepaid credit cards now instead of cash from what I've read. Somebody who partied
crl 12/11/2018 - 8:27 a.m.
Maybe but college sports is a lot bigger business now than in the 1990s Basketball had a wiretap
gatsby 12/10/2018 - 4:18 p.m.
I think a lot of it is the head coach
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 4:54 p.m.
Bama did cheat they went on probation twice in the years
gatsby 12/10/2018 - 6:56 p.m.
Bama's was textbooks. Ohio State's was tattoos
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 9:44 p.m.
Textbooks= cash in Bama's case $40,000, OSU included $14,000 in memorabilia exchanged for cash *
gatsby 12/10/2018 - 10:02 p.m.
spread out over how many players? Are we really going to try to argue the fiction that this is
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 10:35 p.m.
You keep trying to relate this to actions that can be traced back to
gatsby 12/11/2018 - 8:31 a.m.
You keep claiming they have these nefarious cheating machines
HungaryGator 12/11/2018 - 9:00 a.m.
Shapiro and Adidas went on for years without detection...
gatsby 12/11/2018 - 11:06 a.m.
Its a question of scale
HungaryGator 12/11/2018 - 11:18 a.m.
Have you read nothing on the College Basketball Corruption Scandal....
gatsby 12/11/2018 - 2:16 p.m.
I have but College Basketball is a different animal and the corruption there has been known
HungaryGator 12/11/2018 - 2:25 p.m.
College football has camps. And 7-7 leagues. Run by shoe companies. *
gatsby 12/11/2018 - 2:43 p.m.
but nobody even alleges they're anywhere near as dirty as the ones in college basketball *
HungaryGator 12/11/2018 - 4:00 p.m.
I allege the gumps are. :-)
crl 12/11/2018 - 6:48 p.m.
Prove it *
HungaryGator 12/11/2018 - 8:59 p.m.
Settle down Bear Gump. :-) *
crl 12/11/2018 - 9:53 p.m.
So you have no evidence. You could've just said so from the start *
HungaryGator 12/12/2018 - 12:23 a.m.
Plenty of evidence just nothing that the NCAA or other schools can "prove". That's how they get
crl 12/12/2018 - 8:30 a.m.
Itís a grand conspiracy! *
HungaryGator 12/12/2018 - 8:50 a.m.
OK Forrest. I know that's the party line for you guys. That and "prove it". *
crl 12/12/2018 - 10:16 a.m.
OK Alex Jones. Keep hyping your grand conspiracy theories *
HungaryGator 12/12/2018 - 11:29 a.m.
Translation: no evidence. Got it. *
Thunder 12/12/2018 - 8:33 a.m.
Don't forget that RB's momma's housesitting gig. I'm sure there's lots of other shady things they do
crl 12/11/2018 - 8:29 a.m.
Iím sure some shady things happen at lots of schools including UF
HungaryGator 12/11/2018 - 9:05 a.m.
From what I've heard the gumps are cult-like and noone would dare "spill the beans". *
crl 12/11/2018 - 11:01 a.m.
people just aren't that good at keeping secrets. Lots of people would know and it would leak *
HungaryGator 12/11/2018 - 11:19 a.m.
Again Shapiro lasted 8 years- and he ratted out himself. Nobody talked. *
gatsby 12/11/2018 - 2:19 p.m.
true...but there were investigations about
HungaryGator 12/11/2018 - 2:26 p.m.
I think the opposite. Much easier to get away with it in Alabama. The gumps have to be
crl 12/11/2018 - 3:07 p.m.
scUM wasn't busted for buying players...especially not all the top rated guys in America
HungaryGator 12/11/2018 - 4:01 p.m.
I donít think bammers (or any other top notch program) is buying players, per se. But bammers have
fkadukez 12/12/2018 - 7:42 a.m.
HungaryGator 12/12/2018 - 8:52 a.m.
agree....has zero to do with the coaches imo....this is coming from donors *
water lizard 12/10/2018 - 1:25 p.m.
I tend to agree except when it comes to PED's. And even then they probably have some out. *
crl 12/10/2018 - 1:30 p.m.
I know it's hard to believe, but some actually turn down the money. Even those from Alabama. Plus
crl 12/10/2018 - 12:06 p.m.
Riiiiiight. Itís all a grand conspiracy!!.......Or maybe youíre just wrong *
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 12:32 p.m.
Or maybe you're wrong. Unfortunately, the way the gumps can cover things up, we may never know.
crl 12/10/2018 - 12:43 p.m.
Gosh, how come they havenít been busted then? *
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 12:57 p.m.
They have been in the past. Tigers don't change their stripes. Oops, that might not have been the
crl 12/10/2018 - 1:28 p.m.
Which goes against your argument that itís s grand conspiracy now that they havenít been busted *
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 1:58 p.m.
Conspiracy, don't you know? *
Thunder 12/10/2018 - 1:09 p.m.
So, they're guilty because there's a lack of provable evidence? *
Thunder 12/10/2018 - 12:44 p.m.
There are probably clever ways to "move the cash"
water lizard 12/10/2018 - 1:05 p.m.
Exactly. And the gumps know them all. *
crl 12/10/2018 - 1:29 p.m.
No just guilty. Kinda like OJ. :-) *
crl 12/10/2018 - 12:45 p.m.
Alabama and Saban again...
gatsby 12/10/2018 - 10:17 a.m.
No birds chirping today? *
SpacinGator 12/9/2018 - 2:19 p.m.
RE: No birds chirping today?
CoachTony 12/9/2018 - 8:23 p.m.
Oh Zach A
3rdWardGator 12/9/2018 - 10:06 p.m.
RE: Oh Zach A
CoachTony 12/10/2018 - 7:49 a.m.
I'm not sold on him, yet
3rdWardGator 12/10/2018 - 9:09 a.m.
he is a joke...Gators get everyone according to him *
water lizard 12/10/2018 - 11:21 a.m.
Who do you recommend for recruting news?
CoachTony 12/10/2018 - 9:15 a.m.
RE: Who do you recommend for recruting news?
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 9:32 a.m.
Agreed. And that clique is the WORST
3rdWardGator 12/10/2018 - 10:44 a.m.
Amen. the incredibly pretentious "posse". They act like they're all still in Jr High. *
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 11:42 a.m.
So not to different than here at times, eh? *
g8rdome 12/10/2018 - 7:21 p.m.
far worse than anything here. *
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 9:48 p.m.
3rdWardGator 12/10/2018 - 12:03 p.m.
Is that available as a podcast? Other Gator podcasts donít offer enough crooting news for me. *
SpacinGator 12/10/2018 - 8:56 a.m.
CoachTony 12/10/2018 - 9:09 a.m.
Thanks. Now need to figure if I can get it in car. *
SpacinGator 12/10/2018 - 10:29 a.m.
I used to listen but quit because
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 9:33 a.m.
This was supposed to be a paradigm shifting weekend
3rdWardGator 12/9/2018 - 7:10 p.m.
On a serious note, per TOS there was some chirping but not the variety we want to hear. *
crl 12/9/2018 - 6:58 p.m.
Some think still ok for the Lakeland 3 + Lucas flip. *
gatsby 12/10/2018 - 8:22 a.m.
I doubt we get Lucas but the Lakeland 3 are a very high priority. We look good there.
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 9:34 a.m.
Lucas apparently had a good visit but you never know- just what people are saying. *
gatsby 12/10/2018 - 10:19 a.m.
I think Lucas and the Lakeland trio are just creating drama
HungaryGator 12/10/2018 - 11:45 a.m.
Yeah. Who knows. I'd trade all four for a Sanders miracle. Well maybe not a Lucas flip. :-) *
crl 12/10/2018 - 8:54 a.m.
Lucas flip would be super-sweet, and still looking good for the other 3 *
ncg8or 12/10/2018 - 8:54 a.m.
Aren't most of the uncommitted ones announcing on signing day- did we expect something different? *
gatsby 12/9/2018 - 8:10 p.m.
No. Just some rumors on TOS about Zipperer and Summerall asking Kodak Black to produce
crl 12/9/2018 - 9:16 p.m.
I came here today to learn whether a bunch of five stars flipped to us.
InvestiGator 12/9/2018 - 8:20 p.m.
Too cold up here. :-) *
crl 12/9/2018 - 5:15 p.m.
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